Mar 23, 2009

Creationism Refuted....Again: Star Distances


As i have mentioned before i am making it my personal mission to combat the pseudo science of creationism. Though creationism is not an excepted theory in the scientific community, it is widely excepted in society amongst the religious. While i would not try to dictate what an individual chooses to believe, i would like to help keep information available to atheist and agnostics who might encounter similar twisted logic in in their daily lives and conversations. I would like to repeat that i do not wish do dictate what one should believe. However when such beliefs as creationism try to "move in" on what my children are taught in school i draw the line.

Christians who employ Christian science to justify their beliefs cross over to a slightly different plain of argument then someone who simply chooses belief based on blind faith. Blind faith, does not need justification to the believer, Christian science on the other hand attempts uses the sciences to prove that events in scripture are true and provable, thus they feel they have justified their belief in Christianity. If your not familiar, with creationism or creation theory, I'll give you a short summary.

Everything in the bible, including genesis is a literal account of history. God created the earth in six days, the great flood, Noah's ark, the Earth and universe are only 6000 years old,etc.. What creation theory really creates is a whole list of inconsistency's with accepted ideas about our world. For example when did the dinosaurs live? must have been with humans if the earth is only 6000 years old, what about the rock dating that goes back billions of years? Christian science attempts to answer these questions by reevaluating the evidence.

My refutation of creationism for this post (there are many others!!) is a concept that occurred to me after watching a show about astronomy. It is an example of evidence for the true age of the universe that cannot be viewed in any other manor than a solid contradiction of the young earth theory (another name for creation theory).

The proof about the age of our universe is found in star distances. The basic concept is that we have identified that certain stars have a known distance of billions of light years away. All light, including light emitted from stars has a fixed speed that it can travel. That speed is 299,792,458 meters per second. For many practical purposes, the speed of light is so great that it can be regarded to travel instantaneously. However, the finite speed of light becomes noticeable when applied to very long distances. Like in the case of distant stars. When a star is said to be a million miles away, that means that light from that star will take one million of our earth years to reach our eye. When you look at the night sky, you are basically looking deep into history. To drive the point home image this: If a star that is known to be a million light years away, burned out at the exact second you read this, it would take one million years for that star to vanish from our perspective on earth.

I will not go into the exact means of how a star distance is determined, but the accuracy of determining star distances is very reliable. It has yet to be discredited and even if the math was slightly wrong it would still put the creation theory out of commission. For creation theory to hold true all stars must be located within 6000 light years from earth, or their light would not have even reached us yet! This dilemma is so damming (pun intended) to creationism that while researching this topic i found it was even addressed in a post at GodAndScience.org of all sites!! The article points out what a debate stopper this concept is for creationist. The article is very well worded so i will not attempt to summarize, and i will end my argument with the words from that very post.

It is extremely evident from astronomy that our Universe is billions of light-years across, and thus that light from distant stars has taken billions of years to reach us. One method of accurately determining star distances uses Cepheid variable stars, which have a known relationship between brightness and pulse rate. This relationship is explained by physics, and verified (calibrated) by measuring all Cepheid variable stars whose distances are close enough to confirm by parallax. Therefore, the actual brightness of a Cepheid variable star can be determined by its pulse rate, regardless of how far away it is. And, of course, if a star's actual brightness and measured (apparent) brightness are known, its distance can be calculated from a simple equation (apparent brightness decreases as one over the distance squared). This and many other methods verify Hubble's law describing the expansion of the Universe, with the beginning between 10 and 20 billion years ago. Attempts by young-Earth proponents to explain these facts have been unavailing. Norman and Setterfield's proposal of decay in the speed of light is easily shown to be invalid (Roberts, Ross, and Stoner all deal with this), as is Humphreys' attempt at a young-Earth cosmology (see Conner and Ross (1999)). Another explanation, that the Universe was created with "appearance of age" is both un-scientific at its core (if all the evidence that we see for age is fabricated, then why even have this debate?), as well as having theological problems with the truthfulness of God, since in that case we are constantly observing events in the cosmos which in fact never occurred (see Brain Teaser: SN1987a for an illustrative example of this point).

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Starlight and Time: Solving the Puzzle of Distant Starlight in a Young Universe by D. Russell, Ph.d. Humphreys proposes one very good theory to explain the time paradox. On the other hand evolution is so full of holes, lies, and blunders it amazes me that anyone with any intelligence believes in it. But like you say people are free to beleive what they want. It certainly takes a lot of faith to beleive in evolution. Evolution is not real science it is like believing in alchemy.
Barry, Doesn't it seem odd to you to that so many scientists, agree on the constant nature of the speed of light? The "white whole" theory of humphreys, is currently incompatible with our whole understanding of physics. There is a reason why it is not an accepted theory in the scientific community. Don't you wonder why the findings of geologist, physicist, biologist, comologist, and every other major branch of science fall in stark contradiction with the biblical story of creation? Do you really believe that the thousands of inidviduals, (who where probably religious) throughout the past two hundred years of scientific findings, have conspired to conceal the truth? or do you feel that all these people who have reached a similar scientific concensis, have disregarded the young earth theory inspite of the evidence? Seems like a very improbable conspiracy. ......
......If your position were true, the evidence would support it. There would not be such a huge amout of evidence leading pointing toward the antiquity of the universe. Please remember: The scientific method does not require us to prove anything, it evaluates the evidence, and takes the direction that the evidence leads in an unbiased manner. The scientific method employed by creation scientist is extremely biased, it disregards any findings that contradict with a book written thousands of years ago. Imagine were we'd be today if we had disregarded any medical findings that conflicted with our previous beliefs that viruses were demons. Creationism is agenda driven science, it twist evidence to fit a specific model of the universe, while real scientist try to figure what universe model best fits the things we find............
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There is no evidence of the supernatural, in any form. Why would you be tempted to put a supernatural explaination on our origin. Nothing throughout our scientific advancement leads in that direction. You say it takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution, yet belief with no justification, that is faith. Evolution is a theory is supported by an enormous amount of evidence, and agrees with all prior scientific conclusions that our world has natural explainations. There is much reason to believe that we have a natural origin. Why resist this trend just because a 4,000 year old book says otherwise?

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